March 29, 2004
Screwups of Death

Ellen will probably find this list of botched executions interesting, but don't expect much sympathy from her. She's of the "hangin's too good for 'em" school of capital punishment.

The "botched" lethal injection executions sound a lot like what Ellen describes happening very occasionally when very old or very sick cats are put down. However, she's emphatic that this happens well after death has ocurred. I wonder if that's what's happening here?

Posted by scott at March 29, 2004 03:06 PM

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I'd have to side with Ellen's (supposed) reaction. After reading some of the names and offenses of these "victims of state sponsored murder" (oh please), I am not so prone to sympathy. But talk about a scared straight program. "See kids extreme drug use will make any lethal injection you may require in the future difficult and painful."

Posted by: David on March 29, 2004 05:38 PM

I PERSONALLY think a person should be executed the way they killed off their last kill.

BUT, I'm not sure what humans use to lethally inject someone, but in the veterinary world we use a lethal overdose of anesthetic. When I humanely euthanize a sick cat, I use triple the dose needed to end it peacefully. Mix it with injectable acepromazine and you don't get the quivering and sometimes agonal breathing.

Animals are innocent in most forms when PTS is performed, they should go peacefully. BUT for these fucking killers, make it painful.

Posted by: Ellen on March 29, 2004 06:16 PM

Yeah, what Ellen said!!!!

Amber

Posted by: Amber on March 29, 2004 10:32 PM

1. Have you ever heard the expression, "running around like a headless chicken?"--I have seen it. Head gone, legs working. Is the chicken experiencing ANYTHING?--or is it just muscular contractions.

2. I have witnessed a fair number of horses being euthanized by lethal injection (method similar to cats, volume of injected material lots bigger). I have also seen a large number of cows and lambs killed. With lethal injection, there can be a fair amount of muscular activity after brain death, including groaning. This doesn't mean the person/animal is experiencing pain. You don't believe me? I was upset at one horse death scene because the mare's body was thrashing. The vet said, "touch her cornea". I did, in a moment when the body was not moving. In a horse that was experiencing pain, that would have gotten a big flinch at the very least. No response.

3. I have finally come down against the death penalty.

Posted by: liz on March 30, 2004 02:02 AM

Unfortunatly, large animal euthanasia sometimes does not go well. I personally have not seen it, but the vets I have worked for have performed it and all of them did not like it. They all seem to think its the dosage for the anesthetic. Also unfortunately, many large animals that are 'euthanized'for food use, must be euthanized in other ways in order not to contaminate the meat. You can get the latest article on euthanasia from JAVMA.

I can personally assure you, that when I perform a euthanasia, the animal is anesthetized first then euthanized. I KNOW they know what is going to happen to them. Many of the ill cats seem to welcome it. All of them have gone peacefully.

You perform it PROPERLY, you don't get any of the effects. I personally think as well as the VAST MAJORITY of the veterinary world out there is that euthanasia is a humane way to go. This is personally speaking for small animals only. I thinks its more cruel to watch a cat suffer agonal breathing because they are dying of pleural effusion and heart disease along with other problems such as incurable cancers that won't allow them to eat and results with hepatic lipidosis. Thats far more cruel.

As far as people go, my tax dollars should not go to a killers college education, cable tv, etc... let my tax dollars be used for the one time elimination of that person.

Posted by: ellen on March 30, 2004 02:55 PM
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